Episode 8: The Creative Guide to Failing Up

Cobain & Taylor back at it again discussing failure’s role in creativity.

We discuss:

- The definition of failure & what it means in creativity

- Our challenges with failing & being creative

- How to take the power away from failure

- How to us failure as a tool to your success You won’t to miss this chat & discover how to harness the power within you to overcome your hang ups with creativity & failure.

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#7: The Creative Guide to Mental Health

[00:00:00] Welcome to another episode of the life we create. I am Cobain Rivers, Je m’appelle Taylor Joy Stevens, Je m’appelle…. We just went French on them. Ooh, international.

It's episode seven. You're here with us on another glorious Friday, and we're happy to have you. We're happy to be here in this space with you. The happiest. We'd like you to do some things for us, though. Like, subscribe, follow, share, review, review, review. Do them thangs. Mm hmm. Please. Do them thangs. Please.

Your support means the world. Shout out Dina for a beautiful review on our podcast. We love you. Thank you. Mm hmm. This week, on this episode, we're talking to you about creativity. In mental health. Yes. And using creativity as a mental health tool, [00:01:00] specifically. Because it has the power to do that it does what I think about creativity as a mental health tool one of the things I think about is how I got into creativity and That was really coming from a place of being an only child And so I kind of had to create Excitement for myself at times when I would get bored.

Um, my mom, greatest mom in the world. I, you know, at least I think so I may be biased. Um, but she wasn't always around, uh, you know, my mom had to go to work. Uh, so as an only child, sometimes you got to figure out, you know, how to entertain yourself. So even if I'm like at my grandma's house and I'm just in my crib chilling, I had to figure out what I'm going to do.

Uh, and so, uh, Creativity was my first sort of intro into moving through boredom, which made me feel better, which at the time, I didn't know what that was, but looking back now, I'm like, man, that was me using a creative tool to help my mental health. Yeah, your boredom [00:02:00] was seeking imagination. Creativity is within that.

I don't know if I can, I don't know if I can pinpoint creativity like that. Like I, maybe it was because I was an only child for the first seven years. And I entertained myself and played with my dolls and all that. I feel like that's for most people, right? Created storylines. No, I mean, I don't know. What do you mean what's for most people?

I mean, I feel like most of us that had to be like a solo child in our space. Probably that, that had to be like our first introduction to. I think there's like no beginning and end in creativity for me. Like. It was infinite. Yeah, because it's kind of like, um.

Well, I was kind of talking the other day how we don't remember, like, learning to eat. We just, like, we're eating. I don't really remember, like, learning to be creative. I was just creative. That makes sense. And I always felt [00:03:00] most at home within myself when I was doing something creative. That makes sense.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Because we are creative beings. And we come out of the, come out of the gate. Creative, honestly. Cause we were created. I mean, that's not what I would say, but it works as well.

It's important. We've, um, You know, we've, besides just being creative people, um, we have used it and recognized it as a mental health tool. So using creativity as a daily self care practice is something we adopted. Yeah. And, uh, for this episode, we did a lot of research just trying to, you know, see what was said about, uh, creativity, uh, and mental health.

One thing we found was, uh, there's a lot of studies about. The amount of people that [00:04:00] are have successful creative careers and have some sort of mental illness, uh, which is a bit different than what we're talking about today. Um, and so we had to kind of dig a little bit deeper and we did find quite a few psychiatrists and therapists that spoke on creative tools and activities to help improve mental health.

Uh, and Taylor, won't you, uh, let us know, uh, one of those. Yeah, those pieces of data said, uh, Dr. Kathy Malchioti Confirmed that being creative Can, and she's a psychologist and art therapist. She confirmed that being creative can increase positive emotions, lessen depressive episodes and symptoms, reduce stress, decrease anxiety, and even improve immune system functioning.

That's actually, that last one, the improved immune system functioning, it's, it's such a physical impact and, and those other ones are, yeah, yeah, uh, and so that one [00:05:00] really surprised me. Um, the, the, uh, depressing, what was it, lightened depressing, depressing moods or what was it? Uh, lessened depressive. Yeah.

Sometimes less than depressive symptoms. That was something right away that I knew, um, just because as a person that has, you know, in the past dealt with, um, you know, some, some mental health, uh, work, I don't know, a person that sometimes I feel really. weird about saying mental illness because I don't think it's all an illness.

I think our brains are all kind of designed differently and there is a common, there's a norm to how we function and sometimes the way your brain is designed doesn't always fit into that norms puzzle. Um, so I don't think it's a mental illness, but there's really not a better word for it. I know people say mental health overall, but I think there's like just mental design.

Ooh, I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so anyway, uh, the way that my mental design works, there's some times where I have [00:06:00] not felt, uh, like my chipper self. And so there has been creative activities that I've, I've been taught that have helped with that. Um, and so that one I knew right away, but I was unaware of the immune system stuff.

That's crazy. Yeah. It's so cool. Like, um, just the immune system thing real quick. Just the connection of the brain to the gut, which that's a whole topic, but the fact that creativity can impact that I was mind blown. Yeah. So cool. Yeah. The amount of stuff that the gut like connects to that, that deals with both mental and physical stuff.

It's like, I know you said it's a whole nother episode, but the gut is a, it's like a cheat code. Maybe if you, if you treat it, right. Yep. Yep. It's a whole biome that affects a whole lot. Yeah. Um, to continue with this data from this, uh, source, an additional study from the Journal of Positive [00:07:00] Psychology was done that supported these earlier findings and it concluded that spending time on creative goals during a day is associated with higher activated positive effect.

Yep. Yep. On that day, you want to know what positive effect is? Yeah. Yeah. It was different. Sorry. It's like affect effect. Affect is the extent to which people experience positive moods, such as joy, happiness, and optimism, higher, positive affect, lower stress, and expands our perspectives that we notice more possibilities in our lives.

Yeah. So basically if you do something creative in the day, you're more likely to have a better day. Yep, that's yep. I feel like we might have said that on like one or Five other episodes. Well, we definitely Talk about how we use creativity as a self care practice for sure [00:08:00] But to have the data to back it up to be like something very simple as being creative or doing a creative task coloring in a Book or something can really, truly, uh, science evidence based make your day better.

And on top of that, whether it be simple, my favorite part of it is how accessible it is. Uh, creativity is something that literally any one of us can do cause we're all born with it. And so it's, I think sometimes we look for these. Grandiose things that are going to help change how we feel in the moment.

And there's this built in thing that helps us almost eat, like quickly trigger a dopamine hit that allows us to feel better. Um, and it's something that is within you. That's cool. Uh, that's a, it's like a, it's like a safeguard that's built into our DNA. Literally something is [00:09:00] within you that. It can directly affect how you function and feel, and it's all within you.

It's um, a really cool, actually we talked about earlier how it's pretty magical. It is, it is, it is like real world magic. Mm hmm. And figure yourself as a sorcerer. Yeah. The magician. You got the sorcerer's stone right in your pocket. That's a Harry Potter reference for those that don't get it. Yeah. I hated on Harry Potter for so long.

Uh, random rant. Hated on Harry Potter for so long. Uh, and then one day I watched it and when I was like, Uh, as an adult, came out when I was a kid, watched it as an adult. Uh, and I was like, well, this is amazing. Well, it's, I was, well, I wasn't, yeah, I was, I was like in my, like, 18 or 19 twenties. I was like twenties.

So it was only a granted, you know, I turned 20 in [00:10:00] like 2000, like what, six or seven, seven, 2008, 2008, some, some, sometime around there I turned 20. So it's not like it was at six. Okay. So it wasn't like it was out for 20 years. It was out for like five years, but I just waited so long, but fire. So if you haven't seen it, binge it and it's on like HBO max or anywhere cause it's 20 years old.

Uh, watch him fire anyway. Back to this though. Um, yeah, no, I think it's really cool that that's magical sort of thing that exists within us that we can just call upon whenever we need to. Yeah. Um, So yeah, Harry Potter, cool stuff. Anyway, during our research, Super creative. During our research, there is a part that you came upon that spoke about grief.

And I think the way it touched you really stood out to me. So can you, uh, can [00:11:00] you speak on that? Yes, I can. So I came across this. The use of art can help a person who has experienced trauma overcome challenges and help them cope with negative emotions. Stuckey Noble. The use of crea The use of creativity provides the opportunity for people to express their thoughts, feelings, and emotions without the use of words.

And, um, Yeah, when I read that, it like, it, it took me back a bit because I definitely used creativity to move through a very tragic death of my best friend, um. And when I think back to the whole process, there was, there was so much creativity around it that helped get me through, like, even going to her wake, like, I, [00:12:00] like, I put on makeup, like, we would put on makeup together because that was, like, um, like, creativity that we shared.

Um, and I knew like, I don't know, I just knew she'd want me to do that. Yeah. Um, and I remember like, you know, trying to express this and like creating a video of like just the, this experience that was very traumatic, but I wanted to like kind of get it out and like release it. Right. Right. Um, and then like dancing, dancing through this song that just really connected to the moment.

So like it was through creativity. That I was able to, like, express the grief and, like, move through it and also, like, honor her and just try to go about my day. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But it just, it was a really strong,[00:13:00] 

it just was, it was very truthful for me. Nice. Like, using creativity to overcome grief and then, you know, the trauma part. Like sometimes we don't know how to speak about things, so like that part where it says expressing your thoughts and emotions without the use of words, like that is powerful enough to help.

Yeah, that's uh, that is powerful. Um, and that's really cool that you were able to use creativity to kind of help yourself through that process. Um, is there a piece of content that you created during that time that like you still to this day like look at and say that really captured what I was feeling or what I was going through in that moment?

Yeah. Um, we can link it too, but it was basically kind of like a reenactment of my emotions of like seeing her in the casket. And surprisingly it got like [00:14:00] a good amount of engagement, which was not like a goal. It was like, I just need to share this because I think maybe it would help other people too.

And yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Well, uh, there's the, the other piece of that, you know, shows what authentic content can do. Um, it's really when you, when you tell a story that's very true to you, um, and your audience feels that, um, They, they, they, um, accept it, uh, and, and that's, that's really what makes things sort of blossom or go viral a lot of times is this authenticity.

Um, so that's a good example of that in the moment. Um, yeah, I was trying to think of like, is, is there a moment like that for me? And I don't think there's one necessarily with grief, um, Um, but I think there are other things that I've moved through. Like I mentioned earlier, [00:15:00] um, depression, um, but I think about, oh, I talked about boredom.

Uh, but I think about how creativity has always been an emotional outlet for me and, and music Cool. The reason why I got into music, um, from a creator standpoint was because as a listener of music, I recognized how it made me feel. Um, I recognized how I could, you know, I was a, as a, as a kid, I, you know, I liked all kinds of music.

Uh, rock was something that I think really sort of touched me. Hip hop was, was, was my shit. without a doubt, but like rock had this, it's so funny when you go back and you listen to so many rock lyrics, they're very simpy. Um, there's a lot of songs that you don't realize are like about a woman and you're like this man screaming his heart out.

Um, and then you like find out what he's really about and it's cause his ex left him and I'm just like, Oh, well that seems real dramatic, but it's a way, it's a, it's a feeling and he lets it out. And [00:16:00] I just loved how I think Intense some of the lyrics could be um for the emotion that they were letting out and at the time when you're a teen and you're kind of angsty and you're kind of like going through stuff like you really want to Find ways to express that you can't you can't just go out and scream at people and or you can't just like, you know You can't be in the middle of the street screaming at the top of your lungs And there's different ways you go about that and for me There was a connection to rock music, to poetry, to hip hop beats, these elements that really touched me and resonated in different ways.

And they were able to make me feel different things, which I think was really, uh, you know, amazing. And so that is what sparked me becoming a musician was, I thought about how these, these

And I wanted to be able to, one, do it for [00:17:00] myself, uh, it was really creating music wasn't really about, Oh, I want to create music for other people. It was, I feel a certain way and I need to get this out. Yeah. That's an expression. Yeah. Uh, and then that translated to showing it to people and people being like, Oh, this song was good.

I like this. This made me feel this, or this made me think about this. And so then I was like, Oh, well, I People are getting something from the music. Let me continue doing that in, in putting it out to people. So that all stems from just personal expression. Yeah. That's, uh, that's why music therapy is a thing for sure.

Getting hit by those frequencies. Uh, yeah, actually the very notion of that, the frequency of music and feeling good and just sonic healing, um, got me into sound healing. Oh yeah. Um, Which is also a creative, like, self care practice as well. Um, but yeah, a lot of people will have, you know, they'll talk about like, oh, it's my outlet.

[00:18:00] And oftentimes these outlets to express ourselves are creative. And, um, you know, like, I don't know maybe maybe experiment like what explore like what is that for you? One of the things specifically we read talked about how I forget her name, which I'll have to link But she is this big Therapist that works with a lot of CEOs.

She works a lot of high high level clients, uh, that are celebrities and whatnot. But the thing that she excels in is art therapy. And she talks about how you have these left brain individuals that come to therapy to do these right brained activities. because it helps them move through the stress that they have through in their day to day, and it allows them to be able to go back to work in their day job and actually be able to feel like they can contribute at the highest level and accomplish the things they need to accomplish.

So I think that's really cool that you have these, these big, [00:19:00] People that are so, you know, practical in what they're doing be like, okay, well, for me to, for me to feel what I need to feel, I need to hit up my art therapist, go and do some sessions, really get in touch with how I feel creatively, come back to this practical situation and then I can, I can accomplish what I need to accomplish.

I think that's dope. Yeah. And really using creativity to explore, discover how they feel emotionally. So it doesn't, you know. Block them or get get stored in their body. They're able to like move through it through art and creativity. I like that Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So as Taylor said let us know some ways that you Can use creativity to help improve your mental health.

We'd love to hear about those things and maybe those are things we can incorporate Also, let us know like hit us up on social media. Let us know what you want to even Here about what should we talk about? What should we continue building upon in the world of creativity and [00:20:00] life? Um, and, and we just love to continue to build and grow with you all.

Yes. Um, that's what we're doing here. We're building a, uh, community and creative community, and, um, we're excited to watch it grow and we want you to be a part of it. So like subscribe, share, follow. And what's that last one? Review That's the one of the hour review review review Please and with that have a wonderful weekend.

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Episode 06: Parenting Creatively

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[00:00:00] And welcome to another episode of The Life We Create. I am Cobain Rivers. And I'm Taylor Joy Stevens. And thank you for spending your Friday with us. We hope you had a solid week and we hope the weekend's even better, honestly, you know? Yeah, I mean, any time you spend with us is a good time, so, uh, we're ready to get into it.

But first, uh, follow Like, subscribe, share, review! Give us a review, please. Do all those things, yeah. Look out for the squad. Uh, best thing you can do is tell the world about us. And it's free. The best support and it's free. All right. So this week we're [00:01:00] talking about how our baby enhanced our creativity. So what does that mean?

How our baby enhanced our creativity? What exactly, what is that? What are we talking about? Exactly. Um, well, we're talking about all the little and big ways. It's impact our cre impacted our creativity, how we find it in small moments, how we do creative things with him, how we, um, do creative things within the timeframe that we have now.

Basically, um, that, that, uh, creativity is not a special event, but it is special. How having a little human improved the way we create. Yeah. Never would have thought. Counterintuitive. Never. Would have thought. [00:02:00] Yeah. Yeah. Um, Um, yeah, it's, it's, it's been, you know, quite a journey, really amazing learning every day.

Um, and the big, uh, reason why we wanted creativity to be like the center of parenthood for us, um, is because we really want. To bring Cash up in a world where like creativity is normalized and it's natural and It's showcased to him through us. Yeah but also I think a big thing is How we've been able to utilize The time that we have to be creative.

It's really jump started that for me I don't put things off as long as I used to in the past because I know I only have like a limited amount of time For certain things so I [00:03:00] definitely wouldn't definitely didn't expect him to Light a fire under my ass When it comes to some of this creative stuff and like to just not think so much and just do it So that's been cool you mentioned how it lit a fire under your ass like What exactly?

Happened that made you realize that's what was going on? Well, I knew that I had to incorporate creativity for myself at a certain point because like, you know, the first part of it, the first part of the adjustment period was just focusing on like survival and like recovering and um, you know, just taking care of him.

Um, but creativity is, very much self care for me, expressing it, expressing creativity. Um, so I'd find [00:04:00] in little moments, little pockets of time, like five minutes here or there, Oh, let me do something creative because this will help me. Um, so that's how I, that's how I like found it again for myself and just little moments and non pressure ways.

Um, Yeah, just cause I wasn't able to like do certain things even like energetically at that point for long periods of time. So yeah, finding it in little ways. And sometimes those ways incorporated Cash too. Like playing the piano for a few minutes or, you know, singing to him. Yeah. Well, and it's cool how those things helped kind of, as he has gotten older.

has further developed his creativity. Like, you know, I know you started playing piano with him when you were, when he was younger, uh, and [00:05:00] when he couldn't even do anything, but he was just kind of like on you, um, and, and like the sling, um, but seeing how it's progressed to now him You know, playing around on the piano, turning it on and off, hitting the keys, uh, his favorite thing is turning on the, the metronome.

Um, these are the things that I think are really cool to see how that's progressed just from you doing your own creativity around him. Yeah. And it's incorporated him. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah, he's, um, you know, very observant. So he's always watching and I see how our creativity impacts him, especially when you know, you're working on music and How he'll like pop to your beats and stuff.

Yeah, it's actually become how I go about Knowing what songs I want to keep working on. I Um, play different sounds [00:06:00] and, and do different things. And if I see him kind of nodding his head and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna keep going with that. Um, so it's cool having this sort of built in test audience. I feel like if, if it's, uh, it's dope enough to make a baby bop, then it should work on adults.

Yeah. Well, yeah. Cause it's all about, they're all about feeling and he very much. Feels the music, which is really cool to observe. Yeah. Um, I actually think about like, so like for me pretty early on, um, after he was born, I know I got right back into, you know, trying to get back into my creative groove and it was a slow burn, but you know, I think it was like three or four weeks after he was born, um, I was already back at the studio.

Um, Try some things out. Um, but what I noticed that was really important about that was being able to [00:07:00] get back into the studio, get my creative, like juices flowing again, really helped me be so much more, I think supportive and helpful at home. Uh, because it was, uh, it was my self care was able to come back.

Cause that's, that's really what a lot of creative things are for me, uh, and for actually the whole household and for most people, honestly, uh, it is a, It is a mental health tool. Uh, I, I do a lot of these things out of expression, um, and being able to just connect with feelings. Um, so being able to get back into the studio and start working again, really helped me come back home and be in the right space to, to just be.

As supportive as a partner as I could be, I, you know, anybody that's had a baby knows that, you know, the beginning of this period is just a lot of, [00:08:00] a lot of sleeping and a lot of crying, uh, but in the sleeping is not like for the baby, the sleeping is like every, it's, it's on and off all day long. So it's not like, uh, Oh, they're going to be sleep for five hours.

We'll be fine. It's like, uh, this. Man just took a 20 minute nap. All right. He's back up For us though because this is so new it's like no sleep because even as he's sleeping i'm like, uh I don't want to I don't want to like go to sleep. What's up happens? What's going on until like there's so much of us being alert and awake awake all the time Um that It really weighs on you in those early months, uh, and so we had to figure out ways of being able to, to, to do our creative groove.

Um, and I know that I was just able to get back into it a lot sooner, but I think a big part of that is because it's a very different experience for men and women when having a child or giving birth, uh, w women go through such a. [00:09:00] drastic physical change along with their mental change where I think for men it is a lot more, it's emotional, um, but it's a little bit more mental, just kind of getting adjusted to a whole new way of life.

But you guys go through this whole body transformation that I think can weigh a little bit heavier on you and it's harder to get back in to the groove of things. Mm hmm. Yeah. It's a huge body and mind transformation. I mean, your brain is literally rewired, um, like, yeah, you're, uh, you're encoded essentially with a different, like, operating system.

A computer reference, that guy. You know, we always have to throw in a computer reference working at Apple. Uh, but, uh, yeah, [00:10:00] um, yeah, mine was a longer transition and it was challenging. Um, yeah. But, when I came to and came back around and incorporated my creativity again, I, I like found myself again in that.

Because, like, being creative is such a huge part of who I am. Right. Um, and then finding ways that I could do it with cash, like, I feel helped me flourish. And it also helped, like, it also, having cash, like, eliminated a lot of the excuses I would have in the past for, like, not doing creative things. Um, and it was, like, kind of, like, well, you have this time, you either do it or you be miserable.

So do it, um, and express yourself and, you know, [00:11:00] be yourself in this moment, be yourself and have cash and enjoy what you're doing too. Like it took on a whole different, um, life, you know, creativity did in a different color that it just expanded my creative horizons. Earlier, you, you mentioned how

having cash impacted your. Ability to create in small amounts of time. Um, and that's something that I didn't expect to happen at all. Um, prior to us having cash, we decided to go all in on our business. Um, so both of us left our jobs, um, and said, we're going to focus on our business. That's kind of crazy to do when you're having a new child.

Uh, it's low key terrifying, but it never, it never didn't, [00:12:00] it never felt like the wrong thing to do. Like, the whole time it always felt like this was the proper move to make. Um, and through this, these little moments that we found to create, every time you had to just jump right in and jump right in. And in the beginning, it wasn't as easy as just jumping right in.

You know, you sit there and you're like, Oh, what do I want to create? What do I want to do? And then he's awake. And you're like, Oh, snap. I missed some time. Uh, but over time, that changed to, Oh, I've got I've got 35 minutes. I've got 45 minutes to get something done. Let me go get it done. And I just hop in and now I'm active.

Finishing it then he wakes up and I'm like, all right Well, we'll come back to this the next time and we built this muscle of being able to just jump In at the drop of a dime and say now it's time to be creative Yeah, yeah, it's definitely a superpower that I that I believe we both have gained Um, so that's [00:13:00] cool Like one of the big decisions for diving fully into our business was to show Cash how, how we are consistently using creativity to create the life that we want.

And like to be role models of that. Um, for it to be a, A skill that is always drawn on in life, you know, regardless of which path he takes, he can always, you know, count on his creativity and imagination. Um, so yeah, it's just like a really important value for us to instill, like, as, as parents. Yeah, you know, uh, there's, um, this, uh, author Katie Ashcraft.

I think that's her name, uh, she wrote about how [00:14:00] creative parents are a privilege, um, and the article itself is actually about differentiating creative parents from being connected to nepotism. Uh, and I think, you know, a lot of times people think, oh, your parents did this, so of course you, your parents were a makeup artist in the industry, so of course you're be a successful actor.

And that's really not how things work. I, you know, not saying that makeup artists aren't great, but not many makeup artists have been able to just get you a star and role in a movie. I don't know, like, it's really not translatable in that same way. But what she talks about in the article is how having creative parents really expands your view of the world.

Your perspectives really allows you to Go through life and look at all your experiences at every moment. And [00:15:00] find things from that to round out your, your skill set, um, which is something we've talked about in previous episodes. That's the whole point of trying new things, experiencing new things is to expand your horizons, your creativity.

And so Herb, Mom was a printmaker. Her dad was a sculptor. She's now a writer. Um, but she talks about how growing up with these parents who they were able to make money in different ways from some of their art, but also like doing different jobs. She saw creativity from both sides of the, um, uh, from both sides of things.

One from a. When you can make money from creativity, but two from you may not make money from creative creativity But you can at least express yourself and feel happy doing it She got to see all these sides of things and she talked about how She's had all kinds of different jobs from retail to you know, going to school all these different things But none of those [00:16:00] stopped her from being a writer.

She was always a writer But she does all these other things as well. And that's really what I think we want for cash. We want cash to grow up in this world where he can be Anything and everything he wants to be and there's not one side to him Like I think that's the the thing we want to break the mold of is is you're not like You're not the thing you do.

Yeah, I think we've both have talked about, um, having Cash being naturally able to draw on creativity regardless of what it is, is just an important, um, muscle and skill and, um, something that we want to be like, um, um, Oh, what is that called? Like, uh,[00:17:00]

Not like autopilot, but like, um, you don't think about it type of response. Yeah. Second nature. I was going to say that, but I'm like, that sounds wrong. Um, second nature response to life. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Yes, we're excited, like, the creativity that, you know, the path that he chooses just from learning from us and hopefully, you know, well, not hopefully, but, well, maybe hopefully, I hope he enjoys some of the creative stuff that we do, but even if he doesn't, at least he's exposed to it.

Yeah, I mean, I think he will. I mean, I think he will. I think he does. I mean, I see, I see all the time how interested he is in things, um, because we're interested in them. Um, you know, he, he's picked up so many things just because he sees us doing them. Uh, He likes video games because he sees me playing with video games.

He's dancing because he sees you dancing. So there's all these things [00:18:00] that are taking place. That is because he enjoys it. And a big part of that is because he sees the enjoyment through us, you know? Uh, Matthew McConaughey before, I know you've got something to say, Matthew McConaughey though did a, uh, he wrote this memoir not too long ago, and on his little press run, it wasn't a little press run, it was like a real press run, on his press run for it, he said something that I really enjoyed, uh, and, It's because his kids, he's excited about how creative they are.

Uh, and he said it really boomed in the, uh, the pandemic. Uh, and he said that was because they had to create their way out of boredom. And I really liked that as a phrase. Um, I think. That is, I was an only child growing up, that is a thing that's just held such weight for me. You create, creativity, using that as a muscle, your imagination, these are all things that you [00:19:00] do that really help change the world and reality around you.

Yeah, yeah, create your way out of boredom. Um, there's a really good quote that I can't think of right now. But, basically, If you're, maybe I'll find it and we'll just show it or use it in some way, but, um, you really can't be bored if you have an imagination. I think it's one of those. Um, so, yeah, I definitely relate to because for the first seven years of my life, I was an only child and definitely remember being, um.

You know, content playing with my dolls and having all storylines and coloring and drawing. Yeah, you don't even, yeah, you don't really know the difference, but some of, um, you know, you're talking about. You know what you said, um, you know, as parents and how you parent and how it impacts, like I want to know like how it impacts [00:20:00] your relationship with your child because I know some of my, some of my um, core memories were when I was doing something creative with my mom.

Mm. And, like, we would go to curriculum night and we focused on painting this Van Gogh painting together. And, um, when we'd go to museums together, like, my mom had such an appreciation for the arts that that expanded my world. Um. I feel like this is a whole separate episode for us in terms of how creativity influenced our lives, especially as children.

So we could totally get into that, but, um, it makes a difference and you know, it's human. Like we always say, if you're human, you're creative. So yeah. Definitely let us know the ways in which you practice creativity with your children, um, outside your children. Um, we'd love to hear it. Yeah, so, uh, thanks for rocking with us.

Another episode in the books. [00:21:00] We like spending time with you guys, uh, so. We'll talk to you soon. Follow us on all the social medias. I am at Cobain Rivers and everything. She is at Taylor Joyce Stevens and we are at Self Love Media. That's S L F L V E Media. One last thing, please review on Apple Podcasts.

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Episode 05: Open Your Mind to Creativity

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[00:00:00] We are back on another episode of The Life We Create. I am Cobain Rivers. And I'm Taylor Joy Stevens. And it's been a little bit of a hiatus, uh, it was about a week off, uh, your boy had to have a little surgery, uh, but, snip, snip, yeah, I know, right, uh, but I'm back, back at him, feeling good. We're ready to ready to chop it up with all our fellow creators out there.

Yeah. Uh, thank you all so much for the support during that week, uh, both with, uh, Cobain's recovery and supporting our show. Um, it means a lot and, uh, please continue like subscribe, share and review on Apple podcasts. Oh, that would just be. Yes, so [00:01:00] appreciated but let's get into this week's episode. Yeah, what people may not know about the reviewing thing Like on Apple podcast when they see like a new podcast get a lot of reviews Preferably good ones, but be honest when they see a lot of reviews It kind of puts a they put them at the forefront of like the feature page and that would be Pretty dope.

Yeah. Pretty dope. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get on top of that algorithm. Yeah. Open your minds. Open them. Open them wide. What's that song that you like? It talks about opening your mind. Oh, you're talking about, um, Oh, wow. You're talking about, uh, well, is it, I don't think it's open your mind. It's, I think it is.

Well, it's not. I'm about to tell you what it is. What? It's, uh, I am your mind by Roy Ayers. It's really good. Well, we'll link it. It's a really actually it's I am your mind part two [00:02:00] By Roy Ayers. Yes Phenomenal song. Yes, really good vibes. Mm hmm. So this week we were talking about Opening your mind to trying new things and how that can improve impact increase Your creative awareness, your creativity as a whole and creativity.

Yeah. And, um, contribute to your creative life. And that's what we're all about here is building a creative life. Whether you are a person that considers yourself creative or you're a person that just wants to start being more creative. Yeah. Yeah. That's four. All of yous. Yous, yous guys. All of yous guys and gals out there.

Oh, gosh. What does that mean, open your mind to try new things? What was it? What was that about? Well, I mean, simply to be open to new experiences, new perspectives, new insights, new [00:03:00] interests, new hobbies. Just being open to trying things. Right. Right. Um. Not shut off, but open and curious. There is this article that we read when we were getting prepared for this episode.

Uh, it was a LinkedIn article and I really liked what was said in it. The, and I'll link the article there, but it was about the power of open mindedness and curiosity and stimulating creativity. And so what they said, Was being open to new ideas and perspectives allows for a diverse range of influences and inspiration leading to fresh and innovative solutions to problems curiosity and open mindedness also encourage exploration and experimentation key components of creativity I like that that the the exploration and experimentation are key components of of creativity.

Those are key components of life too. Just, I mean, there's no fun in like doing something the same way [00:04:00] over and over and over again. I mean, I'm not talking about like washing your face a hundred different times, but like, like every day, not every day is the same and it's, it's not Groundhog Day. So, Why not try something new for yourself?

Yeah, and I think it actually reminded me of what we talked about in our previous episode where we talked about perfectionism and kind of our hold ups with trying to hold ourselves to this higher standard. Standard. Standard. We got standard. Uh, the exploring and experimentation. You've got to experiment with stuff.

Try things out. You got to, you know, try things different ways. I think that's a big one. Like, um, if you, you know, for instance, as I make music, like try new ways of creating music, don't stick in the standard format of going through exactly. Okay. I know I'm going to choose. I'm going to choose these samples from this [00:05:00] library where I'm going to, I'm going to do this.

They like create New ways for you to create on. I really think that's cool because I don't, I don't think about that as often when it is things that I do all the time. You build your, you build your, uh, your, um, your templates and you build your, your way of doing things and you kind of keep that going in the interest of efficiency.

But that's not always what's best for being able to expand your creativity. I like that. Yeah. Cause that can become stale after a while. Yeah, it can. So you get like used to it. It like goes on autopilot. I think for some things that's fine, but yeah, I feel like there should be more flavor, more, more spice to your life.

Yeah. And I like that explore too. Like, You know, get out there and look for new experiences, you know, try out different, I think about food, uh, you know, people build out their palate and there's so many things that you're like, okay, I love these things. I know I love [00:06:00] tacos. I know I love pizza. I know I love hamburgers, but even in those three things, There are so many different versions of those.

There's like Korean hamburgers. There's like, uh, you've got creative tacos. You got pizza where you could put anything on pizza. I'm a pineapple person. A whole lot of people don't like that. And a whole lot of people got beef with that. I don't care. Pineapple on pizza is fire. I like it. Pineapple. Most things are fire.

Honestly, tacos are fire. Pineapple on a hamburger's fire pineapple go everywhere. Okay. All right But try something new explore open up this expand that palette Try new things even within the things that you're like, I know this is my jam look for ways to expand that Yeah, you know what you find. Yeah, so exploration Experimentation.

Kikapo has done our only life, but also to creativity. You gotta let [00:07:00] yourself try things. Yeah.

I think each day is meant to try something new or do something different. Even if it's something small, even if it's having something different for breakfast or trying a different. Coffee bean, like just little things. I feel like there's things that you can look forward to and experiment with and like do that add to your life experience.

Yeah. I actually like that. That it doesn't have to be these groundbreaking. Experiences. I mean, you could have those two. Those are fantastic as well. But even something as simple as trying a new coffee Yeah, as a person that until a year [00:08:00] ago, I didn't even like coffee. It was like it was fine I didn't give a stupid crap about it Start trying new places.

So many artists and places are popping up these days trying new specialties You find things like never would have even realized how much I do like coffee Had I never attempted to try had he never met me I mean, it's a big part of you, the people, well, actually, and that's a whole nother episode, the people you surround yourself with, like, like the people that you bring into your life, those people also expand your palate, like, because you're taking on their interest as well.

Any good friend has, has gone to something that their friend wanted to go to. Because you weren't interested in it or, or not that you weren't interested in it, but you never really would have thought about this. Uh, but they did and they were invited you. And so you went and you had a good time or, or you didn't, nor you learned, I don't like this thing, but, but you know, that's, but that's a whole nother episode, but still expand that palette.

That actually reminded [00:09:00] me, just circling back to the coffee really quick. Cause I mean, one, it's a couple of things, I think going to a different, Coffee place or like trying a different coffee drink is something, you know, it's, um, well, Julia Cameron talks about that a lot in the artist's way. And we'll get back to that.

But I experienced creativity the other day at one of our favorite coffee shops. We love this drink called the Chile Palmer and, uh, the coffee, the coffee shop is mad lab coffee shout out. Um, So it's like a strawberry fizz with coffee and so that in itself was creative and we like That's been our drink.

It really blew my mind just that the taste profile between the coffee, the robust coffee, and then you've got this like fruity, fizzy, sparkly drink. Very refreshing. So we've been loving it, but the other [00:10:00] day I wasn't really in the mood for coffee. So I asked the barista, I was like, can I do this, but with matcha instead of coffee?

First of all, I was just so stoked that he said yes, and like when I tried it, my mind was like blown again, and that was like a really creative moment for me. It was tasty. It was tasty. Yeah, so even in your day, like, and part of that reminds me of something that I think a lot of people say, creativity is a muscle.

And what do you do with muscles? If you want to build a muscle, you got to work it out. Go to a gym, get on different machines, lift different weights, work different muscles to expand your muscular stature. It's the same with creativity. Try different things, try different activities, try different locations, places, [00:11:00] do more things.

I think that really rounds out What you find out about yourself. Yeah. Yeah creating it I feel like it also I was thinking about this earlier as we were talking about this episode when you try Different things and get outside of your box with different experiences They actually end up becoming like memories for you and like moments where you can like recall where oh I remember when I did this and I felt good or like I felt this and I it was a different experience and Um Yeah, it, the art, again, the artist's way, like, taught that to me, like, through the experience of doing it.

Make memories. Yeah. Love it. That's, that's a, that's another, that's another one going on in a shirt. Mm hmm. Make memories. Yeah. I think that is such a great, [00:12:00] Thought process you do these things to create these memories. Yeah, and and they help expand those horizons there's a Fellow youtuber that we like a lot.

His name is Heinz and he's really He's really such a chill personality, very zen, um, but he talks about things like creativity and uh, you know, I think a couple of years back he started doing this thing where every day he would practice doing something creative. And so for him it was creating content, um, I think it's expanded to a lot of different things now, but something that he said that I just, and I'm going to read it from the phone.

Uh, that's. I love uncertainty has the spirit of a child because it has questions and it's full of opportunities and that's what it's like when we try something new in the creative field. And I love that. Be uncertain about what you're doing. It's not about the outcome. It's not about whatever is going to come from this.

It's about the experience, that moment. [00:13:00] It's about what you're going to get from that. And that's what we do when we're kids. We go out and we try things. We, we, we go just do stuff because it sounds fun. Not because I think it's going to make me the best basketball player in the world or because I think I'm going to, doesn't think I'm going to become Picasso.

I, I started finger painting because that just sound like fun. Yeah. Yeah, I, uh, I think it also, it doesn't have to be in these grandiose ways. I think you can work it in, in small ways in your life. And I was just thinking now as you were talking, like, I'm sure you could even consult CHAT GPT. Like, Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Help me find more ways to be creative in my daily life. And you'll get like a whole list if you need some help, you know? Um, but yeah. Yeah. Um, well, it's funny when you, when you talked about doing it in these small ways, and I think that reminded me kind of a period of time. When [00:14:00] people were trying to be as creative as possible, uh, and that was during the pandemic when people were kind of going stir crazy, being quarantined in the house or only being able to go to a park and they had to kind of figure out these new ways.

To one, entertain themselves to, to, to challenge themselves, uh, Three, to kind of escape the madness of it sometimes, I think. Yeah. And one of the big things that a lot of people started doing was cooking. Uh, there's so many, uh, I just remember so many celebrity cooking shows that came out during that period of time.

Cause they, they were like, I don't know what I want to do, but I've been wanting to cook. So many sourdough bread. Uh huh. Like. Yeah, so that's, that's such a low risk and low effort way of, well, it may not be low effort. Sometimes these things take some time. Uh, but you know, it's one of those things that, you know, I don't think, I don't think it requires too much concern about what's going [00:15:00] to happen in a couple of weeks ago or a couple months ago, I made a pizza from scratch.

I was very proud of myself. I made the dough, I made the sauce, everything from like tomatoes, from yeast. I, I made everything from scratch. It was the tomatoes from scratch. Okay. I didn't make the tomatoes, tomatoes I bought from the store. Uh, but everything was, I was from scratch. Not, not the specific ingredients, but the whole, whole meal.

Jeez. Uh, anyway. It was like the best meal I've ever tasted. Now, I'm going to be honest. And it's probably very biased because I did all that work. It took like, You literally tasted like the sweat equity. I did. It tasted the sweat equity of my hard earned. That was my heart. That was my reward for my hard work.

Hours. It was hours. It took me, I think the, I'm gonna be honest with you. I think the recipe was like, It was supposed to take you just a couple hours. I think it took me like four hours to make things And then you gotta make let the dough [00:16:00] stay for like hours on you Um rise here, but it was just so good and i'm so proud of myself afterwards.

I felt really good about that And that was like the only creative thing I did that day. I didn't do anything else everything else is kind of work related some other things but like At the end of the day, I felt really good. And I even remember getting into my, my chat with my friends and being like, yo, let's open a pizza shop.

I think we can do it. Uh, it's cause I felt so like hyped about this new experience. Uh, and so that's something that was such a low. Low effort, but the feeling I got from it was, I can't even tell you, like, I felt like I was on top of the world. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think you ultimately like learned something about yourself in that moment too.

I can make some pieces. So whoever wants some pizza, eat me up. Yeah. But, um, yeah, I think, I mean, you briefly mentioned [00:17:00] the pandemic, uh, I feel like that was one of my opportunities where I got to explore like within my creativity. Um, and you saw a lot of other people doing it too. I know you mentioned the cooking, but like you saw a lot of roller skating going on.

Um, some of my things, That I took up and I wanted to do for so long one was skateboarding Hmm So I took that up during the pandemic and that was something my inner child was like, let's go Like we've been wanting to do this and like I finally like had the space and time to do it What did that what that dirty look like for you?

well one it actually Evolved from like a character that I developed Um, and I was like, well, I've always wanted to like learn How to do it. I'll just cruise a little bit and um Yeah, I just got a board and [00:18:00] started. I don't know learning Um, I had a good friend who's like a pro skateboarder Who is uh teaching me a lot shout out steve.

Um I don't know what else about the process, but like, I, I just, I guess I would, so it moved beyond cruising to like wanting to learn little tricks here and there and like, just be more creative while I'm on my board. Yeah. Um, and going to the skate park and watching people and like talking to people and like meeting people and um, Just kind of developing that skill.

Uh, yeah, I miss it. I want to get back in the saddle. I haven't, I haven't done it since, you know, getting, being pregnant and then giving birth, but, um, it was something that like sparked so much joy for my inner child and like, Expanded my creativity overall. Yeah. Yeah. And I think what's also cool about that is it didn't just expand your creativity, but it also expanded your social connections.

Um, [00:19:00] like you said, you're, you met new people. You kind of became part of a new community. Um, that you weren't previously a part of, um, I think that's, that's cool as well. So that's the other part of the new experiences that, that you get is you're opened up to a whole new community, a whole new type of people that you may not have realized were even there before.

Um, as far as, I know you said you kind of jumped from cruising to, to doing tricks. Was that a pretty process or, or, you know, were there, were there like any tough days for you or was pretty much picking up right away? Oh no. Okay. So some things I did pick up pretty well. And I think overall, like my technique was good, but I still, I still have not gotten an Ollie to this day and I don't know what the hell it is.

It's something about the mechanics or something, but like, I dunno, I can, I can do a shove it pretty easily. I can do like, I don't know. It's the fluid movements I'm good with, but like [00:20:00] something about that Ollie and I want to get back into doing it because I even started a whole series on Tik Tok of like, it's time to get this Ollie.

It was actually really funny because Taylor's whole life. Like for like a year and a half, like was just skating like that. Like everything was about skating and she's kind of skate or dive for a minute there. Yeah. Yeah. It was the, uh, it was the classic, um, I don't know, you, you know, and love those ADHD years in your life that are like really gung ho about something.

And then they like pivot into something else. Thank you for supporting me. But like, I intend to get back, I intend to get back into it because it was really good for my mental health. Yeah, well it's funny, you know, I think about, because that was a time for me as well where there's a skill that I picked up that kind of took over my life and it's what I do almost every day now.

Um, that's when I really got into editing. Uh, was during the pandemic was, um, I, I [00:21:00] just recently got back into, to filming, um, and then we got locked up, locked up for, for a period of time. And so I just kind of started editing stuff. I stopped footage, shooting stuff around the house, just kind of putting little things together.

Um, and that's where I found, uh, My creativity and kind of trying out different things and, uh, really trying to expand that muscle I was doing for like, I think it was for like six months. I was doing like a tutorial, like every day I was just doing the tutorials, like just tries. Oh yeah. Yeah. I was there like you were honing, you were honing those skills as a homie.

Uh, But it was, it was one of those things, uh, where there was an opportunity, we had time. So there was an opportunity for me to really tackle something that I'd been wanting to. And it's so funny because like I went to school, uh, for video [00:22:00] production, um, and hated editing in school. It was like, I just wanted to fight the computer every time I was like, it's not the part that I want to do.

Uh, . That's so interesting. It it is, it is. Well, I think it's because it was so, I I, because I didn't know the program yet. It was so technical right away. But you are so technical. That's why I find it so interesting. Well, but you were more on the performing side still then, or? I, I, no, then, 'cause even then, like I was, my, I wanted to direct that was like what I was focusing on directing and then all, you know, uh, cinematography, like that was like the focus, but.

There's just something about the, the editing program and we were learning final cut and that's what I was in. This was, this is not even final cut, like X. This is our final cut 10. This is final cut seven. So this is like the, this is like the, the throwback one. Um, and it just was, [00:23:00] I don't know. I just, I just.

You weren't excited by it. Was not excited about it. Um, wanted to be, I think what, what I wanted to do was, It was, I wanted to be on set more than I wanted to be behind a computer, um, and, and I not onset like in front of the camera, but I just, I wanted to, I loved being on set. Just loved it. Um,

well, I was going to say that I think maybe there was a downfall in that program because editing

and teaching that, no, I'm saying it wasn't, it was me. Okay. I was the problem. Well, I was going to say, because to understand, especially from this point of view, like, How, how much editing really does go hand in hand with how the story is told and being in communication with the director and all that stuff.

Oh, oh, my teachers, they said that they were like very adamant about how one of my teachers understood that I wanted to direct in his information was, [00:24:00] if you can learn editing, you'll be a better director than you think you'll be without it. Fast forward to now as an editor. Yeah. Because there is a better understanding of final product that you have when you can understand the editing process.

When I, now when I shoot things, I'm shooting things thinking about what the edit's going to look like. Yeah. Opposed to shooting things and hoping that it comes together in the end. Uh. Yeah. And so I, that was something that I, you know, I really, I, Which is funny because there are things that clearly stuck.

So I reclaimed clearly things I heard but I was like, I don't care what this guy's talking about. Sounds like Sounds like you weren't as open. I was not. I was not. I thought it well, you know, you're young I thought I knew everything that I needed to know. I thought I knew what my path was. It turns out I didn't know anything But got into editing It was something [00:25:00] that I really enjoyed day in, day out, fast forward 2024, and it is how I make most of my living.

It is how, what is what my life is, is editing most of the time. And that's wild that something that was just a random thing I was going to try to do during the pandemic, uh, because I had time, became my life. Yeah. Yeah, wasn't in the plan wasn't a thought process didn't even want to do it before Yeah, now I love it.

I love editing so much. It's not my you know in goal Like I'm not I don't plan on being an editor forever I plan on being a part of the process, but I love it and I enjoy it. I love the creation process I love taking footage and looking at footage and finding the story within that footage. I love doing it with footage I didn't even shoot You send me footage.

I'm like, Ooh, let me figure out how to make this really tell a story. And I love, I love it. It's just [00:26:00] something about it that is just magical. Uh, so shout out to all the editors out there sitting behind a computer for 20 hours looking at one minute of footage. Yeah. And all the ways when she can cut it and.

Yeah. All that stuff. Yeah. So pandemic. That was, that was a big one. I think for a lot of people. Um, yep. I'd love to hear what some of you all did during the pandemic and, and, and after that and what you, you found out about yourself, um, you know, I, one of the things I think about too, for people is so many people started businesses.

And the pandemic, uh, they were, you know, of course we did, uh, but I remember people were at one point creating these like mask design businesses cause that was popping for a minute. Other people, other people that I know that transitioned to them later on actually starting full like apparel lines and now they're selling their clothes on clothes.

Um, there were so many people that I know that started doing like marketing stuff. It's just, it's, it's wild. Opening yourself up to [00:27:00] something and just trying it can lead to one of my homies, Zach, which I mentioned last episode This guy's like the crypto king. Now, like like he his mindset around uh web3 and around nfts and just that whole process that whole Yeah.

He really, he really kind of hunkered down during the pandemic, learned a lot of stuff, but it became a part of something that you really enjoyed afterwards. So it's crazy that just you try something new, you don't know where it's going to lead you. Yep. Yeah. You have no clue. There's a video. Of Ethan Hawke.

Who's he saying? Yeah. So, uh, is this really great at what actually this video was filmed during the pandemic? Uh, this is the pandemic episode. Yeah. Uh, the beauty that came from the pandemic. Um, and he was talking about creativity as a whole, [00:28:00] but some of the, something that he said just really like struck a chord and he was talking about how like you need to play the fool.

Like, you know, you shouldn't read, don't feel like you should read a book, like read the book that you want to read. Um, if you've, if you're used to listening to a certain kind of music, listen to something else. Like, uh, what was the last thing he said? Um, it was, it was the book, it was the music. Basically just like.

Being foolish and just doing the things just because you want to do them and just letting yourself play. There is no path. There's no path till you walk it and you have to be willing to play the fool. So don't, you know, read the book that you should read. Read the book you want to read. Don't listen to the [00:29:00] music that you used to like.

You know, take some time to listen to some new music. Take some time to talk to somebody that you don't normally talk to. I guarantee if you do that, you will feel foolish. That's the point. Play the fool. Like, don't be afraid to like mess it up because there's no messing it up. You're just exploring, like we said, and like having fun and like learning and, and that's what, you know.

Exploring creativity is about I think mm hmm. I think about you and the artist's way often There's a book that I thought from from the bystander Side of things it was cool seeing how that played a part in One you getting just comfortable with living in your creative skin But to how I think happy it made you [00:30:00] Um, there, there were so many moments after you do an activity or after you'd go on, uh, it has you do the, I don't know if we talked about this last episode, but it has you do these creative dates where you take yourself on an artist date.

Um, it'd be so cool talking to Taylor after a day where she took herself out on an artist date and finding out what she did or what, what you like found out, what you experienced. Um, there was just such a glimmer of excitement. That, that kind of like existed within you when you talk about those things.

Uh, and that was really cool. Uh, and so I think that, that reminds me of why it's important to read what you want to read, do these things that you want to do because you're feeding your spirit, your soul. And that's the, the people that you see who are constantly feeding their soul, like it's like they live on another plane of existence.

They're just like out here. Just enjoying everything. And you're like, yo, why are you so [00:31:00] happy? Well, that's how it's supposed to be. It is. That's how it's supposed to be. And I love that Julia Cameron really, Cameron really encourages that because that's where I learned to follow my interests and what I want to do and kept listening to the small nudges within me and like getting to know myself more.

It was just really cool and I've done it twice now and you know I'll probably do it again at some point because there's always something To learn, you know more to be revealed. You've been through it twice. Yeah I actually went through the second time with my mom and that was like a really healing experience for both of us and like our inner children and like It was fun to share that with her.

That's actually fire. Yeah. All right. So yeah, do it with a, a friend, a family member. Yeah. Yeah. That's a group. Yeah. That's fire. We might actually, we might have to do like a Yeah. The life we create collaboration group where, yeah. A bunch of us get together and hit that artist way up. I love that. Yeah.

[00:32:00] Great. All right. Mm-Hmm. Uh, so lessons for today make memories. Play the Fool, Explore, Experiment, Try New Things, Follow Your Joy, Mm, Yeah, Cobain Rivers, Taylor Joy Stevens, This Is The Life We Create, Make Sure You Like, Subscribe, Follow, Tell Your Friend, Tell Your Friend's Friend, Review, Make A Song About Us, Do It All, Be Creative, Until Next Time, Have A Good Week, Bye.

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Episode 04: The Perfectionist’s Guide to Creativity

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[00:00:00] Hello, and welcome to the life we create. I'm Cobain Rivers and I'm Taylor Joy Stevens. And today we'd like to thank you for joining us once again on our fourth episode, shout out to four episodes. Here we go. Cooking, cooking with grease. Anyway. Cooking with gas. Oh, yeah. Well, you cook with grease too.

One of the sayings, cooking with gas. You may notice things are a little bit different here in our setup. That's because those first few episodes were actually filmed about a year ago prior to us having cash. Once our son was born, we kind of had to refocus and figure out a new strategy. So here we are built a new space at home until we can, uh, you know, Figure out another space, uh, but right now while we're taking care of him, it makes [00:01:00] sense to do it when we can, where we can.

Mm hmm, and it is very fitting for today's episode. This is very much a work in progress setup and, um, we chose to To move through it and not let perfectionism hold us back, this episode is Perfectionism in Creativity. What actually is perfectionism? Perfectionism is an exceedingly high standard and overly self critical, uh, behavior.

Toward yourself. Yeah. How does others? Oh, that's others too. Oh, okay. Yeah. How does that show up for you? It shows up for me in my life in that I'm always questioning if I'm doing enough. And, um, you know, control is really a part of perfectionism too. So it's like, I try to control as much as I can with like my [00:02:00] productivity and what I can do and how I can do it.

And it gets to be a bit much. Burns me out. When you say how you can do it, what is it? When it, like, what do you like? Like, um, like, uh, the standard that I have in my head. Oh, I understand that. I, you know, I think I hold myself, you know, when it comes to me, I also hold myself to such a high standard when it, when like, I think about the outcome of whatever I'm creating, uh, there is such a high value that I place on it.

It's that exceedingly high standards part. Yeah. And that control part. I really. identified with, because there is so much wanting to make sure every aspect turns out the way that I see it in my mind. Uh, and when something, or when you reach like a roadblock and it doesn't, when you reach a roadblock and you realize you're not going to be able to either do it the exact way that you want, [00:03:00] it's like, well, shit, do I continue going or do I just move on to something else?

Well, mine really starts. When I start a lot of the times like I don't even get to the roadblock part It's like before before like the key goes into the ignition. It's like, oh, I don't know if it's gonna turn out The way you have it in your head, so I'll just lob it on back there with all your other ideas.

Oh, wow Okay, that's that's pretty early on in the process that you're stopping yourself. It's part of that all or nothing part of perfectionism Yeah Uh, I, I can say that for me, I get going, but it's a never ending journey. I'm on an endless road trip, so I'm just, I'm in the car, I'm driving, I get to a stop and I'm like, is this the destination?

No, no, no. I think I'm going to keep going. I'm gonna keep moving on. And then I've been driving for a month. Driving in circles. Just driving around on the block till I get back. Uh, so yeah, so it's, it's less of not starting and more of not finishing [00:04:00] on my end. Yeah, it's that artist that always thinks that the art is never done, like there's always more to like, add to the art, but like, at some point you have to be like, You know, that's what I'm saying.

Time to move on. I, uh, there's an artist that I identify with so much and I feel like I've mentioned this artist before if I haven't, and then people who know me know I have. Uh, so Kanye West, like in 2016 when he was working on The Life of Pablo, he decided to start calling his albums living pieces of art or living artwork, uh, because he wanted to be able to keep updating it.

To me, that was a clear cut image of perfectionism because like, even when it's out, it's still He's like, I want to re listen and I'm going to rework on things. There's like an, a song Wolves that he really, he like kept re uploading and re uploading because he kept changing things. He'd add an artist, change an artist.

There's so many things, and this is like months after the album's even done and out. Uh, and so [00:05:00] that's kind of me, except for at least he put it out. I'm still like, it sounds a little obnoxious though. It's from a fan perspective, it was very frustrating because you get to a version, you're like, this, this version is awesome.

And then you go back to listen to it and it's like, well, this is different. What just happened here? And I, I highly respect, you know, him as an artist and musician, but just the thought of like something keep, I don't know. It's like, Come on, bro, like, you have a lot of amazing ideas. Let's just like, let's just, you know, put that one down and go to the next one.

Well, and that's, I see that's the part when moving on to the next idea, especially when you have so many, like it's let this idea exist, go into the next one and, you know, build that one up. I, that's advice that I guess I need to take. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. His computer is like kind of a graveyard of some of his work.

It's a lot of projects that like, I think I [00:06:00] started and I wanted to finish and I got to something that either I felt like I didn't know how to do. So now I have to learn how to do this. Um, or it got to a point to where I'm like, well, Maybe when I get this money, I'll be able to apply it to working with this person.

Uh, and they can get it because I want it to sound like something they've done. Uh, so there's a, there's a putting it on the backburner. Yeah. Until there's a resource that becomes available for me to utilize. Maybe it's more like an incubator. Your computer. Yes. It kind of reminds me of like those people that like are frozen and when the time is right they'll thaw.

Oh yeah. Yeah. So maybe it's more like that. Yeah. Because I, I mean, I can tell you, I go back to these projects all the time and I work on it and there's this song that I started like two years ago and I just, the other day went back to, to work on because I'm better at mixing now. [00:07:00] So, so now improved skillset.

Yeah. So now I'm sitting with it again and I'm like, oh yeah, I can make this sound better and it's good. Mm-Hmm. It's sounding better, but there's still, like, now I've found a new roadblock. Yeah. Uh, that I, that I'm like, okay, well I think I want this like kick to sound a little bit better on it. Let me now practice creating kicks and making them better.

It's just this, this sense of I wanna do it all. Um, and I think really where it comes a lot of times is there's a, a time verse. Money balance and because I could pay someone to do this. Um, but a part of it is like well I just want to learn and my certain I guess solo projects are things that there's no like priority on Um, because I'm doing so many other things that I feel like I have the time to just figure it out.

And I think there's a, I don't think there's also a difference with mastery versus perfectionism. That's like a thin line though. I definitely, it is. It's [00:08:00] kind of like a balancing act because I'm someone that really truly loves to master certain things, but I don't consider that part of the perfectionism that I deal with.

Like I generally want to feel like. I'm accomplishing something internally for me. Yeah. It's like, that's a goal within the goal. Got you. Yeah. Yeah. That's actually, you know, I mean, I think whatever your end goal is, it's not so bad. I mean, unless your, unless your goal is to put out content, then, then it definitely probably causes some issues.

Yes. Well, that, it was one of my issues. Mm. For a long time, I was not doing content because of, um, you know, I, I was dealing a lot with like fear of judgment for a while. Mm hmm. I was dealing with it not looking the way I envisioned it or not having the budget for what I wanted to do, but I think that, I don't [00:09:00] think that allows you to be creative in your solution because there's so many people all the time that talk about the potential that they've seen in someone with, with what they did with what they had and that, that makes them want to give them money to like go bigger.

So. Yeah. There's value in that. Well, and, and to your point there, there's also the thought process of while you're trying to get better, if you're, if you're working on more things, putting more things out, you're allowing yourself the ability to grow from those things. Uh, there's this, uh, the other day YouTube content and one of the, uh, the videos, the guy starts off with talking about this.

Experiment that was done not too long ago, where they put, um, two separate groups of people into a room, uh, to make these clay pots and one section of people, they said, you just focus on [00:10:00] making the one perfect clay pot. That's all you do. You work on this one clay pot and you perfect it. And the other group, they said, you make as many clay pots as possible.

Just keep, keep cranking out clay pots. At the end of the experiment, they look at them and say, okay, let's see what the best clay pot is. And while you would think it's the group that spent all the time trying to make the perfect one, it actually was the other group because they got so good at making pots from doing so many.

They had just been cranking them out by the time they got to one of the last ones. They had really perfected the art of pot making. Yeah. And the first group spent so long trying to figure it out, they, they never actually perfected anything. They just kind of got stuck and created a sort of half pot.

They, they created a pot that was good, but it wasn't like perfect. Mm hmm. Uh, so that always kind of reminds me of sometimes there is this quantity over quality thing because the quantity allows your quality to improve. Yeah. I literally saw something that, [00:11:00] uh, demonstrated this just before this, uh, recording now.

And it was, um, talking about how masters have more failures than beginners. And just like the visual that, um, this artist did was really cool. Um, I think what let's link the artists, let's tag them because they have really great visuals for creatives and like, Like working through your creative process.

Right, right. Yeah. A lot of cool inspiration, but that's what reminded me of that. It's like, yeah, keep, keep like throwing your darts at the target because the, you know, practice makes progress. I actually like that. Ooh, practice makes progress. I like that. I like that better than the concept of practice makes perfect because perfect doesn't exist.

Does not exist. So practice makes progress. I like that. Um, I, and I love the, the, the, Mastery has more failures, you know, I think in perfectionism, there's this fear of failure, uh, and you're trying so hard to [00:12:00] make something so great because you're concerned with failing at it. Um, But then you've run into all these roadblocks we talk about, whereas if you can be comfortable with failing, that's how you reach that mastery.

That's how you start to, to develop the skills to feel like you're actually creating at the level you want to be creating at. Mm hmm. And so that's kind of where like my focus is right now for my stuff is more so let's. Let's let's work to fail, um, and yeah, put this stuff out there. Let's get out there and let's grow.

Uh, and eventually I'm going to get to my, my perspective, my viewpoint of like, Oh wow. I made this like, and I'm, I'm very happy that I made it, or I'm working with other people that are now what I was saying earlier, where I'm trying to compare myself to these people that are, you know, the best of the best in the field.

Now I'm working with these people because I continue to do what you were saying earlier, showcase my potential, showcase how I'm getting better, showcase [00:13:00] my, my content improving. And now here we are, these people are now in my circle. Yeah. Becoming friends with failure and, um, failing up. Yeah. Uh, Leslie Odom talks about that in his book.

That's really good. Um, yeah, I don't know. Failing. Failing means you're making progress. So, and who's like, I don't know, who's also to define failure. I think there's very like certain things that can define it. Like, um, you know, you're fired, but like, I think there's a lot of gray area with that and like, maybe you're just learning.

Yeah. A lot of times we are the. We are the ones that are creating the failure for ourselves. Uh, and so a lot of times that actual failure doesn't really exist. Yeah. It's just, you know, uh, because I can't tell you how many times I, I felt that way. Uh, and I put something out and there's somebody that like, man, this is really good.

You made this or, or [00:14:00] like, there's like a, a response that I'm just like, wait, where? Oh. All right. Cool. Cool. Pat myself on the back. Yeah. What you don't know is I was beating myself up all last week. Yeah. Um. You have to get out of your own head. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there was a, you were telling me earlier today this, uh, because I, you know, sometimes I think we also don't recognize how many people deal with perfectionism and how many people that we like watch regularly or we look up to that are dealing with it.

You were telling me earlier today. About, uh, something Emma Stone said. Yeah, Emma Stone was just saying She was, uh, interviewed by CBS, uh, Sunday morning. And, uh, she was just talking about how she never feels like she's getting it right. Um, Like, it's just always something in her head. Like, it's not, she's not like, Oh, that was a great take.

It's like, is that right? Like, she never knows. So, [00:15:00] to just know, um, you know, that she questions. Her work like the rest of us. I don't know. I like humanized her a lot Yeah, and she also just called it out like creatives deal with perfectionism and like that's that's what she deals with on on every Set basically.

Yeah Yeah. Well, it's, it's always in our mind as creatives. I think what we're doing, there's a phrase you said, uh, the other day that I, I love so much. We're constantly pushing for excellence. And it is this, again, the thought process that we have in our head, or the vision that we have in our head where we see something and that's what we're going for.

Uh, and so we're always pushing for that, but you gotta know. You gotta know when to pull the trigger, uh, and not just kind of sit on, on the, the journey to excellence. You gotta learn how to, how to participate in it, I guess. That's really what it is. Cause, cause so much of that excellence [00:16:00] comes from outside perspective, outside, or like it comes from getting out of your own head.

Mm hmm. Yeah. And that's, that's something that, um, you know, I actively do to like overcome my moments of perfectionism are things to get out of my head and like to help free up my mind and like get me into like flow and to not be so hyper focused on like any sort of result or like an end outcome more so.

Um, and something that really taught me how to do that for myself is the artist's way. Um, so yeah, there's just a few concepts and exercises that like, I really took from doing that. What, what is the Artist's Way just for anybody that may not know? Yeah. The Artist's Way is a workbook, um, by Julia Cameron, uh, to help, basically to help you get out of your head and like live a creative life and, [00:17:00] um, really claim the creativity within you.

Hmm. Is there something like that is for like working creatives or is it something that like Illini Anyone. Fantastic. Yeah. Like what we say, like if you're human, you're creative. So if you're trying to, um, enrich your life, um, feel more fulfilled or if you're, if you are creative in, in like an artistic field and like feel like you're blocked, um, it helps, it helps like get you out of, you Out of your head.

It helps get you unstuck. Nice. Oh yeah, that's nice. Nice. Uh, I think for me, when I think about like, how do I help myself overcome that? It's really, I've moved into more collaborative spaces. Uh, so I, I really try to prioritize the working with other people and, and sort of building this community. Uh, that allows me to one, share ideas, um, but also hear kind of other people's ideas, uh, see what other people are working on.[00:18:00]

You know, I think, uh, uh, in music, uh, uh, I'm a part of a group called It's Talent Night and my partner, uh, Zach, it's funny, a lot of times I'll kind of send him random, like things I've produced or that I'm working on, uh, just to kind of get an outside perspective. And I think what's allowed that is feeling safe in that space, uh, to where I don't really Allow myself to be super concerned with exactly what he's going to say as much as I really want to know what his like thought processes.

Like, what do you think about this? And I look at it as, oh, this is how I can improve that. Or, and you know, sometimes I don't always agree because there is a specific vision that I have behind something. Yeah. But it's allowed me to really open up more and take that outside feedback and know when something has reached a space where it may be already done.

You know, sometimes you, you, you send something to somebody and they're like, Oh, this is good. Put this out. And you're like, Oh, okay. I thought it needed a little bit more tweaking, but here we are. [00:19:00] Yeah. Yeah, no, I, I really agree with that. Um, being in community and being in connection with other people, um, helps get you out of your head and gets you out of like the, sometimes your mind can be really restricting and it can be like really, if you're isolating yourself, it can just, yeah, you can be focusing on all the wrong things when you're in that space.

So allowing people in is definitely a good way to like zoom out and get different perspectives and, um, You know, see what, uh, hear what other people see that maybe you didn't even see yourself. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a big one. Yeah, that's a big one. Um, the other thing, and this is something that I'm working on actively, uh, but it's funny because I was reading an article about, and this was a little, boom, some time ago, uh, about Cara Delevingne, where she was talking about her, Perfectionism.

And one of the things she said that she's doing to sort of move past it is she said, I'm learning to love myself. Uh, and, and I think that's such a big one [00:20:00] because so much of our perfectionism traits are around not allowing your space, yourself, the space to be a perfectionist. Okay. With what you're doing, it's sort of like self criticism, so much self criticism and so much pressure that we're putting on ourselves to, to achieve.

Um, when a lot of times like the way to really actually, you know, feel good about what you're doing is, is to feel good about what you're doing and feel good about you. Yeah, I love that. It's self love. Yeah, absolutely self love. Well, that's why I also really liked it I was like, oh, this is literally the wave of what our company is about is really trying to create things that you feel good about And that really nurture yourself I think that's the big one being able to nurture who you are and and care about what your thoughts are from a perspective of and If I'm thinking this, if I'm feeling [00:21:00] this, then it's okay.

And, and, and let's, let's work through that and let's, let's create that content around it and see where it goes. Yeah. I was just thinking as you were talking that no one. I don't think anyone really likes a perfectionist. A perfectionist. I don't think anyone really likes a perfectionist because, especially like when you're working with a perfectionist, like to feel that rigidity and like constriction and like control and like micromanage, like, like, that's not fun.

Like that's not a good experience for anyone. And no one should be put through that. And like, I don't know. Like, Like, loosen up, I'm speaking to myself too, like, with this, like, loosen up and let things flow because we do need, like, diversity in thought. Because there isn't one way to do, do something. And I feel like when you alleviate the perfectionism, it allows you to, you know.[00:22:00]

include, include other thoughts, opinions, um, perspectives. Yeah. That actually reminds me of, uh, Steve Jobs, uh, genius, but was notoriously a perfectionist. And while he brought out the best in a lot of people that worked with him and under him. It was such a toxic environment and people really were stressed out, um, because of the level of perfectionism that he exhibited and what he expected in people.

So it made, it made the workspace so tough for people to wear. Sure. I I'm making these products that are changing the world, but at the end of the day, I don't feel great. I don't feel great about what I've done because I feel like when I go back to work tomorrow, like I've got, I've got this Gestapo stepping in the room and yelling at me about what's going on.

But you know, I think so to your point, it's tough for the other people that work with or under a perfectionist because those [00:23:00] standards are not healthy. Um, for the environment and, and not for growth and, and people feeling like they can, you know, be vulnerable. Yeah. It actually reminds me, I mean, I love that, you know, you used Steve Jobs as an example because of us both working.

Um, at Apple, um, at one time and there was a point in time where we're working in an environment that did have exceedingly high standards and it affected a lot of the team. Yeah. Well, it was high standards without the resources to be able to achieve these standards. Yeah. So it was like making us really uncomfortable, like it was not a good time.

It was not for anybody, like no one, no one was having a good time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it really just sucks out the Joy. in this situation, point blank.

Very common for creatives, uh, I think, and that's no matter what industry you're in, I think we're [00:24:00] all pushing ourselves to a level, uh, where we want to be the best, we want to feel like we're doing the best work, but you gotta, you gotta kind of take it easy on yourself. Cause that's how you get to that space.

Yeah. Um, you're allowed to enJoy the process and you're allowed to be gentle with yourself and be easy. And these are like, these are things that I. Tell myself to, like, consistently, like, be gentle and celebrate. The small ones. These are things that she tells me also because I'm like working on something like, oh, that's stupid.

And she's like, hey, don't say that about yourself. Yeah, self talk. Oh, that's another, I think that's another episode, but yeah. Yeah, so, uh, you know, we'd love to hear from you all. Let us know in the comments, on our social media platforms. It's all of them, Instagram, Twitter, all those things. Yeah. Let us know, Really what you're sort of, uh, I guess how you get past your perfectionism if [00:25:00] you see it in yourselves or the traits that you see Maybe those things can help us as we continue to build our Collective of of activities to move through it.

Yeah. Yeah your kryptonite and perfectionism and I just, I just wanted to reiterate the community part is really important that, uh, you know, something to come, more to be revealed in the future, but, um, something in the works for sure. Uh, we've been talking about, um, but in the meantime, connect with us and grow with us and learn with us and you can find us.

What's your concept? What, no, what's your, uh, before you go into that, what's your, uh, quote on growth? What is it? I love it. Growth is messy. Ooh, growth is messy. I love it. I love it. It's not a clean cut thing. It is hard. Get down and nerdy with it. Yeah. Growth is messy. Yeah. Uh, you can find us on at self love media on all the platforms.

Oh, and that is, um, S L F L V E. Yes. Media. Yes. Yeah. And I [00:26:00] am at my name. Taylor Joy. Stevens. Well, it's just @TaylorJoyStevens. The other one's too long. Uh, and I am @CobainRivers on everything. Uh, so reach out to us, hit us up, let's talk, let's, let's, uh, let's gather and let's build community. Yeah.

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Episode 03: Originality is Dead

🎙️ What’s up, Creators? Cobain and Taylor here, coming at you with some real talk on our latest podcast episode! Buckle up because we're diving deep into the whole "originality is dead" concept. Yeah, you heard it right!

🌍 Ever catch yourself wishing for more originality in the world? Well, fam, let's be real – originality took a detour, but it's not gone! We're here to break it down and bring the inspo to your creative journey.

🤯 Think about it, with billions of years on this planet, everything's a remix. Social media? It's just the local gossip on the internet – all of it existed before! But don't worry, 'cause we're here to let you in on the secret to making your stuff feel brand new.

👉 So, here's the deal: release the pressure on yourself and others. Originality isn't about reinventing the wheel; it's about YOU. Your vision, your swagger – that's the secret sauce right there. It's gonna hit different, trust us.

💡 Feeling stuck? Take a trip down memory lane. Grab a piece from a project ten years ago and redo it today. Spoiler alert: it won't be the same. Why? 'Cause you're not the same. You're leveling up, always growing, and your approach? It's a whole new game.

🔄 We're vibing on how everything, from music to films, is a remix of a remix. Tarantino, anyone? He takes old-school cool and gives it a contemporary twist. It's like a time-traveling creative explosion! 🕰️💥

🚀 So, let's cut the drama and embrace the magic – originality is everywhere! Your unique spin, your flavor, it's what makes the world pop. You're the missing puzzle piece to this crazy mosaic.

🔥 We challenge you: listen to your inner self, think about what fires you up, and create something killer. Your experiences, your take – it's all fresh and unfiltered. Trust yourself, love yourself, and let that originality shine!

🌈 Ready to ride this wave of creativity with us? Hit play now and join The Life We Create party! 🎉 We can't wait to vibe with you. Until next time, stay fabulous! 💖🎧

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Episode 02: Love and Creativity

🎙️ Hey creators, it's your favorite duo, Cobain and Taylor! 🌟 Ready to dive into something awesome? Well, we've got the inside scoop on how creativity can spice up your relationships, and trust us, it's not just about romance; it's about any connection that makes your heart skip a beat!

🚗 Picture this: a love story sparked by a shared obsession of renovating VW Beetles. Yeah, you read that right! It's like a real-life rom-com, and we're about to spill the tea on this heartwarming tale that started on social media and turned into a flourishing romantic relationship.

💔 But wait, there's a twist! Tragedy strikes when the guy loses his entire workshop.  Enter our heroine, who packs her bags and heads to his side like a true MVP. Fast forward, and they're not just fixing Beetles; they're fixing their hearts together. It's a rollercoaster of emotions that will have you reaching for the tissues and cheering them on. 🥹👏

💃 Now, let's get personal. Cobain and I talk about how creativity brought us together, from dancing like nobody's watching to collaborating on projects that set our souls on fire.

🌌 We're not just talking about lovey-dovey stuff; it's about friendships, too! Your creative passions can forge bonds that stand the test of time. We've got stories, and we bet you've got 'em too! 📖

🤳 So, what are you waiting for? Hit that play button and join us for a journey into the magical world of love, creativity, and unexpected connections. We want to hear YOUR stories, too! Drop us a line and let's link!

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Episode 01: Creativity In All Of Its Facets & Forms

Hey, Creators! 🌟 Cobain Rivers and Taylor Joy Stevens here, ready to vibe on all things creative!

In our premier episode, we're just chopping it up on creativity – you know, that thing we all got deep inside. We’re getting real about creativity in our lives.

🤔 Wondering Where Creativity Comes From?

It’s time to get honest about creativity – where it comes from and how we tap into it. Spoiler alert: It's not rocket science; it's just part of your everyday flow!

🌈 Breaking Down Creativity Myths with You!

Feeling like creativity is some exclusive club? Nah, fam! We're busting the myth that creativity is only for the artsy types. Whether you're into art, saving lives, parenting, or sports – guess what? Creativity is in YOU.

🎭 Julia Garner's Dope Creative Story

Think of creativity as a wide-open field. We're sharing an insightful story from Julia Garner, who caught her creative groove in "Ozark" from a painting and a wild Mike Tyson moment. It's a peek into the unexpected places where inspiration hits you!

🎶 Getting Those Creative Juices Flowing

Join us as we spill about our own creative quirks – from vibing to tunes to creative movement. Find out how everyday stuff, life's ups and downs, and even eavesdropping can kickstart your creative process.

🌟 Why Smash That Play Button?

Curious why you should hit play? 'Cause this podcast isn’t about us talking at you; it's about US talking together. We wanna hear YOUR creative tales, YOUR spark, and YOUR journey. Let's create a dope community where creativity runs wild! We're not just hosts; we're your crew on this creative adventure. Hit play, share your stories on our socials, and let's all unleash our creative energy. Trust us; this podcast is like hanging with friends you didn't know you had!

Ready for an empowering m chat about creativity? Press play now, and lesssgooooo!

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